Creationists: Believe What You Want
but shut the fuck up. Seriously.
I don't mind debates, and I especially enjoy reading it when each side makes clear, concise points, but I am sick and tired of hearing creationists' bullshit arguments. I know they can do better, they just don't. Here's some common arguments and why they suck:
"... atheists believe ..."
No, stop it. Any argument that contains that is pure bullshit. Atheism is the lack of belief in god, not the belief that god doesn't exit. Furthermore atheists can't be categorized like christians can; their beliefs are not uniform and are not based on just a few books. Atheists beliefs vary on how we came to be, stances on abortion, etc.
"prove god doesn't exit"
Again, no. The burden of proof is, and always has been, on the one making the accusation or assumption. If you assume god exists, you present information to prove it. If you believe evolution is how we came to be, present the information to prove it. A good example would be our courts. We don't randomly haul people into the courtroom and tell them, "prove you're innocent or you're guilty," so why should that be a valid argument for anything else?
"evolution is just a theory"
So is gravity, capillary action, and many other widely accepted concepts. A theory is as good as it gets for science, and it's definition in the science world is nowhere close the the common meaning that we use in everyday speech. The word theory is not used to describe something in the realm of science without great caution.
"evolution has no [facts, bone records, known examples]"
Evolution has mounds upon mounds of data and tangible evidence that back it. Stop having evolution-bashing conversations with your priest or friends that don't bother to do the research either and instead read a scientific journal. There are numerous bone records, and despite popular christian accusations, very few gaps in between them. A great example of evolution is bacteria. When we first started to use penicillin it was very effective against almost all bacteria. But the bacteria that could resist the antibiotics were able to reproduce themselves while the bacteria that didn't died off. Because of that only antibiotic-resistant bacteria survives and thus we have bacteria that can't be killed by today's medicine.
"well then why do monkey still exist"
Monkey evolved from great apes, as did we. Remember, evolution is caused by the stronger genome prevailing over the weaker (with respect to the environment around).
"scientists can't explain it so god did it"
Just because scientists don't have an explanation for something doesn't mean that a supernatural being did it. If forensic scientists can't figure out how someone died it doesn't mean god did it, does it?
"If the universe wasn't created by god then how did everything get here?"
Please don't assume there are only two options just because they are the only ones apparent at the moment. Also, see the above point.
"You can't have morals if you're an atheist"
Fuck off, there were morals before modern (respectively) religions so why can't there be after?
These are the worst arguments I could find, but feel free to point out some others. And yes, I'm an atheist.
I don't mind debates, and I especially enjoy reading it when each side makes clear, concise points, but I am sick and tired of hearing creationists' bullshit arguments. I know they can do better, they just don't. Here's some common arguments and why they suck:
"... atheists believe ..."
No, stop it. Any argument that contains that is pure bullshit. Atheism is the lack of belief in god, not the belief that god doesn't exit. Furthermore atheists can't be categorized like christians can; their beliefs are not uniform and are not based on just a few books. Atheists beliefs vary on how we came to be, stances on abortion, etc.
"prove god doesn't exit"
Again, no. The burden of proof is, and always has been, on the one making the accusation or assumption. If you assume god exists, you present information to prove it. If you believe evolution is how we came to be, present the information to prove it. A good example would be our courts. We don't randomly haul people into the courtroom and tell them, "prove you're innocent or you're guilty," so why should that be a valid argument for anything else?
"evolution is just a theory"
So is gravity, capillary action, and many other widely accepted concepts. A theory is as good as it gets for science, and it's definition in the science world is nowhere close the the common meaning that we use in everyday speech. The word theory is not used to describe something in the realm of science without great caution.
"evolution has no [facts, bone records, known examples]"
Evolution has mounds upon mounds of data and tangible evidence that back it. Stop having evolution-bashing conversations with your priest or friends that don't bother to do the research either and instead read a scientific journal. There are numerous bone records, and despite popular christian accusations, very few gaps in between them. A great example of evolution is bacteria. When we first started to use penicillin it was very effective against almost all bacteria. But the bacteria that could resist the antibiotics were able to reproduce themselves while the bacteria that didn't died off. Because of that only antibiotic-resistant bacteria survives and thus we have bacteria that can't be killed by today's medicine.
"well then why do monkey still exist"
Monkey evolved from great apes, as did we. Remember, evolution is caused by the stronger genome prevailing over the weaker (with respect to the environment around).
"scientists can't explain it so god did it"
Just because scientists don't have an explanation for something doesn't mean that a supernatural being did it. If forensic scientists can't figure out how someone died it doesn't mean god did it, does it?
"If the universe wasn't created by god then how did everything get here?"
Please don't assume there are only two options just because they are the only ones apparent at the moment. Also, see the above point.
"You can't have morals if you're an atheist"
Fuck off, there were morals before modern (respectively) religions so why can't there be after?
These are the worst arguments I could find, but feel free to point out some others. And yes, I'm an atheist.
posted by tah2002 at 3:02 PM
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